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Anyone use nitrogen inflated tires?

Discussion in 'General Automotive Talk' started by downloadsincomplete, Dec 2, 2013.

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  1. downloadsincomplete

    downloadsincomplete New Member

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    I was wondering if anyone here inflates their tires with 100% nitrogen?

    The claimed benefits are that it resists pressure change and helps keep the tire pressure constant. Nitrogen doesn't seep out of the rubber as easily, it is less sensitive to changes in temperature, and it does not contain water vapor. But air is already 78% Nitrogen. Does the extra 22% actually make that big of a difference? Especially since places charge to fill up with 100% nitrogen, is it actually worth it?
     
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    Flexin Admin Staff Member Founding Member Top Event

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    Nitrogen is said to be larger then air so it can't seep out of the tire as easily. It depends on how much they are charging you but if the claims are true, it can save you in the end. Maintaining pressure can save wear on your tires. If your air is low you will wear the outside edges of the tires much faster then you would normally. Keeping your tires at the proper pressure will also help with fuel mileage.

    I posted about a trucking company that uses nitrogen in their fleet. Here is what they said about it. "Over time though, Dan Freight collected data that indicated that the fuel savings attributable to nitrogen was just over 1%. The data also showed there was less over-inflation, less irregular wear and far fewer flats. Drivers also found the ride more comfortable."

    http://gearheadcentral.com/index.ph...combination-for-dan-freight.526/#.Up0IH-IrdbE

    We just bought a set of winter tires from Costco and they fill all of theirs with nitrogen. This is my first time using it so we will see what I think of it. One issue is if you have to fill it up and use regular air, I think they have to purge it and refill it. I'm sure there would be a charge for that. I'm going to watch it and see what I think of it. But for this set it didn't cost me any extra.

    James
     
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    We have a guy on our local AM station peddling nitrogen all the time. I just can't see it being worth the effort. Pick up a gauge and check your pressure from time to time - fill as required.
     
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    Some people are lazy. As a company it might be a good idea because a lot of people will not bother to check. When it's your own car it's a different story.

    For the truck industry I can see it making a big difference. And maybe even for someone in sales. And the. You have the ones they mentioned in my link. Cars I. Storage could benefit from it.

    And if it does help with corrosion then that is a big plus. That can damage tires and waste time by needed to be refilled every other day or so. And then you need to pay to get it cleaned up so it will hold air. But soapy water is normally used to get the bead to slip on without damage so I wonder if this water is part of the corrosion problem. Without being wiped off it is in there. But at least there is no more moisture added.

    James
     
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    That's a lot of good info, thanks. I have my own air compressor and I check my pressures monthly, so regular maintenance is not a problem for me. My dealer had sent an email asking for toy donations for a holiday toy drive, and if you bring one in they'll inflate your tires with nitrogen for free. I would be interested in doing this, just to see how it is.
     
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    Hey guys,

    Great topic! I would be interested to see the info on that study because I don't quite get how N2 is a smaller molecule than O2. Both are diatomic molecules but the atomic weight of N is 7 and O is 8. Maybe it has something to due with their 3D shape but who knows.
     
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    I'm not sure. I'm going to look it up and see what other info there is on it.

    James
     
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    Here is a negative review on Edmunds. They mainly complained about cost. They looked at it from a passenger car point of view. The one I posted was a commercial trucking company. They found a difference. They said that some dealers are putting it in the new car to put on the lot. This is a $70-170 charge according to some. That is a rip off. I would ask for that charged to be removed from the price before buying the car. Like in the article, I bought my winters at Costco so I have it for free. I think they top it up for free, balance for free and rotate if I remember correctly. So it is worth it there. Unless I notice a huge improvement, I don't think I would pay extra for it.

    http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/should-you-fill-your-cars-tires-with-nitrogen.html

    Here is a a good chart from the Get Nitrogen Institute. http://www.getnitrogen.org/research.php

    Here is an interesting article. http://www.getnitrogen.org/pdf/print_articles/TomorrowsTechnician-feb.pdf

    James
     
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    You're confusing weight with size. They're not always correlated. The periodic table organizes elements by molecular weight, not by molecular size.

    In this particular example, it has to do with the covalent radius of the nitrogen molecules and the oxygen molecules.

    N2 = 300pm
    O2 = 292pm
     
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    Yeah, it seems like that's exactly what I did. Thanks everyone!
     
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    Thanks. I was thinking that but I wasn't sure.

    James
     
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