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Has anyone heard of the Tesla?

Discussion in 'General Automotive Talk' started by oivas, Feb 19, 2014.

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  1. Flexin

    Flexin Admin Staff Member Founding Member Top Event

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    Did anyone watch the movie "Revenge of the electric car"? It is an interesting movie. Talks about the EV1 by GM. They talk about Toyota and Nissan. They also show Telsa in the early days. They almost didn't survive. They show some small builders as well.

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    Documentary. It is good. I might watch it again.

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    I see one or two Model S's a day. They've become much more common in my area. I'm looking forward to seeing the Model X's next year.
     
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    Thanks, I think I am going to get it too, I love this documentaries where a revolutionary idea faces installed interests...
     
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    Finally got the documentary and started to watch it, pretty interesting indeed, but I got puzzled right at the beginning, why GM dropped their first electric car? I didn't quite get that!
     
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    Flexin Admin Staff Member Founding Member Top Event

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    That is the thing. Outside of upper management at GM, I'm not sure if anyone knows. The people driving them pretty much bagged to keep then.

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    GM pointed out that when gasoline prices drop, people pick gasoline cars over electric ones. And at the time, it looked like there was a good chance interest would diminish. The fact that the test drivers loved them was a nonissue to them because the test drivers were not average consumers. Also, the public opinion is not always right. American auto makers found that out years ago when the American public was clamoring for diesel cars, only to abandon them when gas prices dropped. And auto makers were left holding the bag.

    But now times have changed. Gasoline is even higher, pollution standards are stricter, and the Fed is pouring in money to compensate automakers and consumers.

    The other thing with Tesla is the guy behind them is very clever. He saw a market nobody else saw. He presold cars to people who wanted (and were willing to pay for) a cutting edge exoticar. Then before delivering them he raised the price to get more money. And when he saw government funding appear to support consumer level electric cars, he announced that he was making a consumer car too. And he got the funds. I just visited the web site and the only car they post a price for is the 60KWh Model S, which costs $69,000. The Fed incentive gets you back $7500. The State incentive (where I live) gets $2500. That brings the price down to $59,000. That's out of the price range of most buyers.
     
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    Outside of the upper management, what do you mean by this? Yes, I saw DeVito pretty upset to have let the car go lol.
     
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    If I could have any car in the world, I would have a Tesla ! The more I read about them, the more impressed I am. Right now, the price is high, but once they get into more production, there will undoubtedly be more affordable models for the general public.
    I love the idea that they handle like a sports car, and yet are totally electric. Once the charging stations are in place, it will simply revolutionize driving. Before, electric cars didn't perform well, and didn't go very far before needing to be charged. From what I have seen, the Tesla goes over 200 miles, so it can easily make it from one charging station to the next one. And if you are just driving locally, you can recharge it every night if you want to. If you set up solar panels on the carport/garage, you could even charge it for free at home.
     
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    The concept is proven, I just don't get why they didn't start with a car for the masses, that would give them more money I suppose.
     
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    Good point about the duel. That would play a part in it. But it doesn't explain taking working cars from users and then destroying them. I can see fuel stopping development of a new model but not causing then to get rid of the card they had.

    I think that keeping then made more sense. They could have learned a lot for the next hike. They had to know that the prices would go back up at some point. Plus there were people back then willing to spend money on a car like that. Not sure if it was enough to break even, even with a premium price point.


    The thing with Erin musk is that he had an idea and was willing to do what had to be done to make it work.

    The problem with electric cars is distance and charging time. As a car manufacturer you have be three options. Cry about it and do nothing. Try to find a way to get someone else to make a charging network for you to use. Or build one yourself. That is what Telus did and it can't be cheap. But Elon has lofty goals and is willing to spend his own money to get things done

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    I think only the big wigs know the real reason.

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    Yeah they are removing one of the draw backs to electric cars. And that was the whole distance issue. But the Supercharging stations fix that. And they are aggressively adding new one to extend the areas people can get to.

    They also changed the idea that a electric car can't be sexy. I got to see one in Ontario and one in Florida and I love them. Still haven't had a chance to drive one yet.

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    The masses can't always afford multiple cars. A car with a 200-309 mile range is pretty much a city car without a fast way to charge. Short trips are fine. Without the charging network in place it would be a tough sell. They could also get money out of the premium market beforehand. The makes can't put money down on a car and wait that long for it.

    I think the only way to do it was the way they did it. And remember, the Model S is the second car they made. They had the Lotus body based sports car first.

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    YES. I really like it and it brings the future of the cars. Unfortunately, the Big Oil companies prefer to shut it down and make some more money out of their valuable oil :(.
     
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    Yes, those guys really run the world, but Elon Musk is putting up a fight, let's see if his fortune is enough to make Tesla and electric cars mainstream...
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    Sure, not many can afford two cars, but there are quite a few super-chargers so that makes long trips possible. I am not questioning their strategy, I'm sure they have all planned out, it's just hard to understand for me. Look at Nissan for example, they made a car for the masses. Not much success had it though?
     
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    The Tesla is definitely an unique car with wonderful features. If I had the money and the good location, I'd definitely choose to buy this car. It is the future of vehicles, after all!
     
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    Longer trips are possible but they still need to expand so you can go any where they have the superchargers expanding
    fast so it won't be that long.


    Can you honestly say that you want to rely on car with a leaf? I don't. The model S is something I would love to have. To get the masses, you need a car that they want. The Leaf isn't that car.

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    That's true, that's why it didn't had success along with other strange electric models like the Renault ones. I wonder if this is just a campaign from the big car companies do discredit electric cars? Sounds like a conspiracy theory right? :D
     
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    I actually quite like it and by far the best electric car there is. Its also one of the only electric cars I would ever own myself.
     
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    Tesla has really been building the charging stations, and right now, there are almost 100 charging stations around the country. A person could actually take a road trip and go from coast to coast in their Tesla car, and not pay a penny for fuel. The map shows a lot more by the end of this year, and almost doubled by the end of next year.
    Since the Tesla goes over 200 miles on a charge, you could really do a lot of free travling. Imagine being able to take a summer- long vacation just wandering around the United States, and not spending any money for gas, is that awesome or what ??
    Here is the webpage showing the charging stations, and where they will be adding them in the next few months, and by the end of next year.

    http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
     
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